Showing posts with label Muehlenberg Bill (b1953). Show all posts
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Monday, 16 November 2009

Why Read Christian Right Blogs like CultureWatch

Confessions, I do like to read Bill Muehlenberg’s CultureWatch blog. Yes, it is an extreme Christian right political blog. The Christian right believe that the oppression of women, the hatred of those with other sexualities, the idiocy of creationism, the desecration of the natural world and the evils of capitalism have been all ordained by God. They are totalitarian, mocking those who disagree with them. They hold a right wing dominion theology.

So why bother reading? First and foremost, whatever I think of the vile opinions of Muehlenberg and other extreme Christians right wingers they are my brothers and sisters in Christ. They are family. Christ want me to do more than just be civil, Christ requires me to love them like a blood relative. Love requires, among other things, to care what they think and to correct. This means I must engage in debate with them. They might deny me legitimate Christian faith because of my opinions. Since neither of us have a copy of Lamb’s Book of Life (Revelations 21:27), I refuse to return the rudeness.

The second is to correct my own opinions. I am fallible; no matter how much I want to delude myself otherwise. There are two ways to test ones views. Both ways involve study of scripture, prayer, reason and understanding Christian tradition. One is to do this constantly talk with those who agree with you. Another way is to engage in study under some neutral tutor. Finally and most importantly, is to talk and debate with those who you disagree with. Why is that most important? It is because that way my ideas are tested by the purifying fire of debate.

And finally, one needs to know what your opponents think. How am I going counter the views of those I oppose without first listening to my opponents first? Forgive me, if I think that is too obvious

There is another reason I read Bill Muehlenberg’s blog besides the reasons above, I enjoy it! I am nothing but a theological tragic. I love the interplay between Christianity and public policy. So does Muelenberg.

Wednesday, 19 November 2008

Revival cause Conflict

This post is a response to Bill Muehlenberg's posting of A Few Thoughts on Revival.

Hello Bill,

I disagree that revivals lead to peace. Christians look to rival like some Marxist look to revolution. Both groups believe that both are inevitable; both groups dream about their occurrence and both groups send large amounts of time, thought and money working towards those eschatological hopes. The difference is that revolutions tend to initiate violence while rivals have violence inflicted upon them.

A Biblical template is supplied by the healing of the demon processed fortune teller by Paul and Silas (Acts16:16ff). Out of frustration, Paul cast out a demon from a woman. The charitable act got Paul and Silas thrown into jail because it threatened the income of some of the town’s wealthy citizens.

It is a small example of the rule that conversion leads to healing leads to lasting social change. If many turn to Christ it affects nations and beyond. Many good church folk resisted the rise of Methodism for it challenged the established norms. The Wesley brothers preaching about Christ had consequences for the social and economic basis of Britain. I have read about riots preventing either of the brothers from preaching near a town. That is why they preached in open fields.

Though they were not agents of social change, the converts were. However, the changes were resisted at every point. The film Amazing Grace illustrated the resistance to the abolition of slavery. One institution that came from that revival was the Trade Unions. Early Union cells were based on local communities called ‘chapels’, for that is who formed them. Indeed, one former secretary of the British Labour Party said that the labour movement owed more Methodism than it did to Marx.

Revivals lead to social reformation. Why? The personal change in the new Christian’s life leads to a desire to change the social condition that entrenched evil in their former life. Revivals inject energy into the thirst for justice. Every time Christ comes it is with a sword (Matt 10:34).

Michael

Wednesday, 9 May 2007

My Reply

Another reply on Bill Muehlenberg's Culture Watch. This is a reply to Muehlenberg's reply to my post.
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With all due respect Bill Muehlenberg, there is evidence that I did read you comments. I quoted your essay in the middle of my reply. However, I believe you misread my response.

The soccer score line title flavours your essay. My point is that fashions come and go and being triumphant over an election victory is transitory. All things change over time! On this my life experience has re-enforced Qoheleth’s teachings. As you know, Qoheleth is the Hebrew title for the writer of Ecclesiastes.

Nor did I make a positive Biblical case for neither socialism nor Marxism. You might have concluded such from my negative framing of my questions. Your reply made Biblical assertions about capitalism, Marxism and socialism. I am not so brave as to draw any such conclusions. The Biblical references were illustrating the American journalist conclusions about the welfare state could be question within the context of Christian ethics.

I must disagree with you on the Acts. My view is that Luke believed that the Church had replaced the Israel as the people of God. Given this, what happens in Acts 4 and 5 is not emergency provisions or a voluntary society but the permanent expression of the new Kingdom of God. I am aware with the potential anti-Semitic problems with this interpretation of Luke. I also agree that other texts could be brought to support a “capitalist” interpretation of a Christian understanding of the state.

However, Luke 16:1-8 is not one of these. Under the Western Australia Criminal Code the ‘manager’ could be charged with s.378 stealing as a servant and s.407 fraud. I would be surprised if Victoria did not have similar laws. The basis of capitalism has always being the appropriation of wealth and calling it private property. Or are you taking the line that property is theft?


Some other replies to your article have argued that Christianity leads to conservatism labelling Christian socialism as an oxymoron. Like the Great Methodist Christian socialist Donald Soper, I wounder how a conservative can be a Christian. Christian socialism is the oldest of the modern Christian political movements. From them came the trade union movement and the Labor Party. Both Rudd and I claim that tradition for ourselves but with different policy outcomes. Unlike Rudd, it leads to the mistake of joining the Communist Party in the mid-eighties and my current membership of the Greens from the mid-nineties. Marx derided Christian socialist as ideal socialists. Marx advocated a ‘scientific socialism’.

I have always thought that the compassionate conservative as the great modern oxymoron. Will Wilkinson is right, welfare handouts are demoralising. However, begging for charity from the wealthy is both demoralising and ineffective. Australia prior to Medibank Public or the current state decay of Australian teeth illustrates the ineffectiveness of charity! It is interesting that the Old Testament did not help the poor or disposed by either method. The second harvest was for the poor to take. This suggests that the Biblical Israel had different views about private property.

Monday, 7 May 2007

Muehlenberg Again!

Bill Muehlenberg’s blog has provoked me to the word processor again! In a triumphant piece on the French presidential elections entitled Conservatives 1, Socialists 0, he berates the progressive political groups again. So I gave him the following reply

And what if the Socialists win the next election? Success and the proper way are transitory this side of glory. Whatever is the shape of the great eschatological event, sin will continually dominate all human affairs. The divine counter balance is in John 3:16; Christ came because God love the whole world. My interpretation is that means Christians and everyone else.

One silly question, when has a good society be determined by its economic performance alone. Why is the Stefan Bergheim of Deutsche Bank Research economic centric approach to the good society the ultimate measure for any Christian? Luke’s Gospel and Acts seems to disagree Wilkinson assertion that “welfare handouts, lower levels of inequality, and bigger government have little or no positive effect” on happiness. How does that equate with the common purse of Acts 4 and 5 or the parable of the dishonest servant of Luke 16?

The layout of the last paragraph is questionable but, I think, one understands the general is idea.